Re: [rules-dev] [jbpm-dev] [JBPM 5.x] service task repository

Yes.. I was thinking as a light way component, POJO based decoupled from the rest of the WEB application that can be started without the need of a servlet container.. But I think that we went off the topic completely :) Cheers On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Michael Anstis <michael.anstis(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Well, there is guvnor-repository that provides low level operations to > (in theory) a Guvnor repository. However all our classes, integrity logic > and means to expose it as an external service (ie REST, WebDav) are AFAIK > in guvnor-webapp-core which you can't deploy outside of a container.... but > this, in theory, could be split into different modules to provide better > access. I am sure you appreciate exposing REST needs a container however > WebDav might not. IDK. > > sent on the move > > On 13 Mar 2012 22:24, "Mauricio Salatino" <salaboy(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> Michael, do you know if you can bootstrap the JCR container without a >> container? I think that it should be possible.. to have like a repository >> guvnor without all the UI. We should think about that option too right? >> Cheers >> >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:20 PM, Michael Anstis < >> michael.anstis(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Yes, I agree largely with what you say, but to add a little balance I >>> thought I'd respond too ;) >>> >>> 1) Technically, Guvnor doesn't need a J2EE server, just a Servlet >>> container so Tomcat does the job just fine. >>> >>> 2) AFAIK, you can download individual assets source from Guvnor with >>> the REST API. If you pushed a package file to Akamai* you have the same >>> issue. >>> >>> 3) Fair point. If you don't have a single folder on Akamai* but scatter >>> your assets across a file system you have the same issue. >>> >>> 4) OK, move the point of failure from your control to a cloud solution. >>> Simpler, probably cheaper, but fair point. >>> >>> I don't mean to start a tit-for-tat exchange, just adding some balance. >>> >>> Cheerio, >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> *Other cloud providers are available. >>> >>> >>> On 13 March 2012 17:43, Tihomir Surdilovic <tsurdilo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>>> I think you have very valid points. IMO just: >>>> 1) There should not be a limitation exposed on users to have to have >>>> Guvnor (and thus a J2EE server) running in order to host static files >>>> (service repo). >>>> 2) Guvnor assets are divided into packages, if you lets say have a >>>> "serviceRepo" package and from what I can tell you say build it and expose >>>> a pkg or zip or whatever, someone on the other end has to understand what a >>>> pkg file is/isnot or have to know how to unzip etc. >>>> 3) If you do not have a dedicated guvnor package for your service >>>> repo, then you need advanced logic to piece together all assets that belong >>>> to your repo..in the same environment that your users are >>>> developing/modelling in..not very intuitive imo. >>>> 4) Let's say you want to use guvnor and this is some sort of >>>> mission-critical service repo for you, to do this now you need a clustering >>>> environement of J2EE server(s) and Guvnor running in a cluster all >>>> connected to a clustered JCR repo..etc etc..instead of just pushing your >>>> static files to akamai and call it a day :) >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/13/12 1:32 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: >>>> >>>> Tiho, a question for you.. why guvnor cannot host a file? I mean.. I'm >>>> not sure how Porcelli is creating the war files for the services, but we >>>> can generate something similar right? some meta information, some images, >>>> some configuration files, etc, when the user or a client like eclipse want >>>> to get the workitemhandler installed it just create a zip file with all the >>>> required dependencies and it send that back to the client. In that way we >>>> will gain versioning, categorization and tagging for free..right? Plus the >>>> possibility in the future to manage that with a workflow for approvals if >>>> we add that for all the other resources. >>>> Probably I'm missing something but I don't understand what is the >>>> Guvnor limitation to host files or descriptors, we are already doing that >>>> for spring beans configs. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Tihomir Surdilovic < >>>> tsurdilo(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not sure if Guvnor is the best place for it - because assets >>>>> that are stored in Guvnor are not very portable as a "unit" outside of >>>>> Guvnor. I would rather make it in a way work like maven -> users can >>>>> specify the "parent" repository which can be one that we provide for the >>>>> community with all out-of-the-box services nodes and run mvn clean install >>>>> which will build their local repo that they can expose on any public domain >>>>> or server they wish, any way they wish..just my 2c. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/13/12 12:11 PM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: >>>>> >>>>> At some point those definitions should be stored in guvnor right? >>>>> Until now I think it's just a folder with some meta-data files to define >>>>> what is in there, but I think that it really make sense to put that >>>>> functionality inside guvnor that is a fully fledged repository right? >>>>> Guvnor already provide the APIs to push resources, and we definitely >>>>> need to add a kind of workflow for resources.. but it's not there yet. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Giovanni Marigi <gmarigi(a)redhat.com&gt;wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I would like to know the status of service task repository; >>>>>> I really appreciate the idea behind it and delivering some POC, >>>>>> customers were really enthusiastic about this feature (especially its >>>>>> integration with jbpm designer and BRMS) but it seems that the actual repo >>>>>> doesn't have some new effort. >>>>>> Will we provide API to push service tasks to the repository? I think >>>>>> it should be useful to provide some mechanism to approve a new service task >>>>>> before to make it public. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Giovanni >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Giovanni Marigi >>>>>> Red Hat - JBoss Consultant - >>>>>> email: gmarigi(a)redhat.com >>>>>> Mobile: +39 3423175986 <%2B39%203423175986> >>>>>> Office: +39 0687502315 <%2B39%200687502315> >>>>>> >>>>>> Red Hat Italy >>>>>> Via Andrea Doria 41m >>>>>> 00192 Roma - Italy >>>>>> www.redhat.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Prima di stampare, pensa all'ambiente ** Think about the environment >>>>>> before printing >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>>>>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>>> >>>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> jbpm-dev mailing listjbpm-dev@lists.jboss.orghttps://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>> >>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> jbpm-dev mailing list >>>> jbpm-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbpm-dev >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org >> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >> >> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >> >> -- - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com - Co-Founder @ http://www.jugargentina.org - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio -