Re: [rules-dev] [rules-users] copyright violation issue on Drools

Yes, it's already in progress. No joke. On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Greg Barton wrote: > If you allege illegal actions, you'd better be prepared to take > that up in a court of law. No joke. If you think laws were > broken, get yourself a lawyer and pursue the matter in the proper > venue. > > This is not the proper venue. > > Now that you have alleged illegal behavior I will no longer discuss > this with you. > > --- On Tue, 8/31/10, 山本 裕介 <yamamoyu(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > > From: 山本 裕介 <yamamoyu(a)gmail.com&gt; > Subject: Re: [rules-dev] [rules-users] copyright violation issue on > Drools > To: "Rules Dev List" <rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; > Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 9:41 PM > > At the time of submission, I was not aware that Red Hat is a > company that commits illegal actions. > And now I'm "explicitly stating" that I do not wish to include my > work to the project. > > On Sep 1, 2010, at 11:28 AM, Greg Barton wrote: > >> See http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 >> >> "5. Submission of Contributions. Unless You explicitly state >> otherwise, any Contribution intentionally submitted for inclusion >> in the Work by You to the Licensor shall be under the terms and >> conditions of this License, without any additional terms or >> conditions. Notwithstanding the above, nothing herein shall >> supersede or modify the terms of any separate license agreement >> you may have executed with Licensor regarding such Contributions." >> >> Did you, at the time of submission, have a separate agreement? In >> writing? Signed by all parties? >> >> GreG >> >> On Aug 31, 2010, at 20:50, 山本 裕介 <yamamoyu(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> >>>> At the time of your contributions to Drools and other projects >>>> you were a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has >>>> determined that it has the right to copy, modify and distribute >>>> your contributions under the Apache License version 2.0 and >>>> considers this matter closed. >>> >>> Richard didn't explain that. >>> I didn't use Red Hat time to fix those bugs, translate message >>> resources. I believe that "I am/was a Red Hat employee" doesn't >>> matter. I'm not paid for the task. >>> >>> "At the time the code was contributed in good faith under the >>> Apache license, you cannot then decide at a later date to change >>> your mind." >>> My understanding is that people just do not want to undone their >>> contributions usually. That is how OSS works. >>> Technically the copyright holder of translated message resources, >>> program codes is the originator. >>> I agreed to distribute my work under the ASL, but I didn't tell >>> that I willingly give away the copyright to the project. >>> Anybody who originates their work (i.e. the copyright holder) >>> should be able to decide the license at a later date. >>> >>> Richard, any comment? >>> >>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Michael Neale wrote: >>> >>>> So is the reason that there is a dispute over another copyright >>>> holder? (ie these changes were copied in violation of that >>>> copyright in the first place) - or a case of changing-minds >>>> about rights to the commits of the original work? (if the latter >>>> then close the issue - nothing can or should be done - as it is >>>> a licencing issue then, not a copyright issue, and as Mark says >>>> the licence doesn't permit that revoking). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Mark Proctor <mproctor(a)codehaus.org >>>> > wrote: >>>> Yusuke, >>>> At the time of your contributions to Drools and other projects >>>> you were a Red Hat employee. The Red Hat legal department has >>>> determined that it has the right to copy, modify and distribute >>>> your contributions under the Apache License version 2.0 and >>>> considers this matter closed. If you have any further need to >>>> discuss this please do so with Red Hat legal, - you have their >>>> contact details. >>>> >>>> Even if you were not a Red Hat employee, which you were at the >>>> time, you cannot undo an OSS code contribution, that is not how >>>> OSS licensing works. At the time the code was contributed in >>>> good faith under the Apache license, you cannot then decide at a >>>> later date to change your mind. The OSS licenses, be it ASL or >>>> LGPL or GPL, are designed specifically to provide certainty in >>>> that area. Without this level of certainty end user OSS adoption >>>> would be a minefield as every time developers fall out, which >>>> happens often, one could demand all their code be removed and >>>> this would impact everyone who has invested time installing that >>>> software in production systems. >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On 31/08/2010 17:41, 山本 裕介 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have consulted RH legal dept. only to get no meaningful >>>>> response. >>>>> I guess Edson is the one who commit most of these files. >>>>> The how and why they need to be uncommitted is attached to the >>>>> Jira issue. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Yusuke >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 1:34 AM, Mauricio Salatino wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Yusuke, good question. I'm not sure where is the right >>>>>> place, but you are only asking to rollback your changes right? >>>>>> who commit all your contributions to the jboss repo? >>>>>> I also saw that you mention: "For several reasons, I decided >>>>>> to withdraw those contributions introduced from my spare time. " >>>>>> can you mention those reasons? so we, as community can learn >>>>>> why you want to remove your contributions. I'm just curious. >>>>>> Greetings. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:50 PM, 山本 裕介 >>>>>> <yamamoyu(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>>>> Where is the appropriate forum for copyright issues? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Greg Barton wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > This is not the appropriate forum for copyrighgt issues. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > GreG >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:40, 山本 裕介 <yamamoyu(a)gmail.com&gt; >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > There's a copyright violation issue on Drools 5.1 release. >>>>>> > Please remove the changes listed in the following issue. >>>>>> > https://jira.jboss.org/browse/JBRULES-2660 >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>> > Yusuke >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > rules-users mailing list >>>>>> > rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > rules-users mailing list >>>>>> > rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> rules-users mailing list >>>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> - CTO @ http://www.plugtree.com >>>>>> - MyJourney @ http://salaboy.wordpress.com >>>>>> - Co-Founder @ http://www.jbug.com.ar >>>>>> >>>>>> - Salatino "Salaboy" Mauricio - >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> rules-users mailing list >>>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> rules-users mailing list >>>>> rules-users(a)lists.jboss.org >>>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>> rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Michael D Neale >>>> home: www.michaelneale.net >>>> blog: michaelneale.blogspot.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> rules-dev mailing list >>>> rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> rules-dev mailing list >>> rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >>> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rules-dev mailing list >> rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org >> https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > rules-dev mailing list > rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev > > _______________________________________________ > rules-dev mailing list > rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev _______________________________________________ rules-dev mailing list rules-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-dev