Folks, what if we step back and fix the CORE of this disaster? Lets not pickup non CDI scope annotated beans as @Dependent automatically anymore! We could automatically enable this feature if we detect a version="1.1" in beans.xml. This way we can keep backward compatibility LieGrue, strub --- On Fri, 7/8/11, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: From: Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com&gt; Subject: Re: [seam-dev] Seam Startup Performance To: "Stuart Douglas" <stuart.w.douglas(a)gmail.com&gt; Cc: "Seam Dev List" <seam-dev(a)lists.jboss.org&gt; Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 11:45 PM On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 19:27, Stuart Douglas <stuart.w.douglas(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Hi Guys, I was just looking at the startup performance of the Seam 3 booking example on AS7, and I noticed that because the Seam 2 archives that it deploys are bean archives, it actually wastes quite a lot of time on startup registering Seam 3 classes as CDI beans that are never used. It occurred to me that we can get around this by using a beans.xml that includes welds <scan> extension in beans.xml to prevent uneeded beans being registered we could significantly improve the performance and memory usage of Seam 3 apps. Now that the ridiculous visibility and extensions in non-bean archive problems are resolved, I'm in favor of switching back to registering beans manually rather than using beans.xml. That seems like a performance enhancement that's portable, so that we don't suck if Weld isn't the provider. But I agree we should do one of the two options. We'll be moving tests around in Seam to align the setup, so it seems like a good time to run tests with the updated bean registration strategy. -Dan -- Dan AllenPrincipal Software Engineer, Red Hat | Author of Seam in Action Registered Linux User #231597 http://www.google.com/profiles/dan.j.allen#about http://mojavelinux.com http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ seam-dev mailing list seam-dev(a)lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/seam-dev