4:41 a.m.
During load spikes in production I find plenty of BLOCKED threads with
this stack:
java.util.Hashtable.get(Hashtable.java:335)
org.jnp.server.NamingServer.getBinding(NamingServer.java:506)
org.jnp.server.NamingServer.getBinding(NamingServer.java:537)
org.jnp.server.NamingServer.getObject(NamingServer.java:543)
org.jnp.server.NamingServer.lookup(NamingServer.java:267)
org.jnp.interfaces.NamingContext.lookup(NamingContext.java:667)
org.jnp.interfaces.NamingContext.lookup(NamingContext.java:627)
javax.naming.InitialContext.lookup(InitialContext.java:351)
org
.jboss
.seam.transaction.Transaction.getUserTransaction(Transaction.java:79)
org
.jboss
.seam.transaction.Transaction.createUTTransaction(Transaction.java:71)
org.jboss.seam.transaction.Transaction.getTransaction(Transaction.java:
44)
sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor5830.invoke(Unknown Source)
sun
.reflect
.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:
25)
java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:585)
org.jboss.seam.util.Reflections.invoke(Reflections.java:21)
org.jboss.seam.util.Reflections.invokeAndWrap(Reflections.java:125)
org.jboss.seam.Component.callComponentMethod(Component.java:2195)
org.jboss.seam.Component.unwrap(Component.java:2221)
org.jboss.seam.Component.getInstance(Component.java:1988)
org.jboss.seam.Component.getInstance(Component.java:1951)
org.jboss.seam.Component.getInstance(Component.java:1928)
org.jboss.seam.Component.getInstance(Component.java:1923)
org.jboss.seam.transaction.Transaction.instance(Transaction.java:36)
org.jboss.seam.util.Work.workInTransaction(Work.java:28)
org
.jboss
.seam
.transaction
.TransactionInterceptor.aroundInvoke(TransactionInterceptor.java:32)
org
.jboss
.seam
.intercept.SeamInvocationContext.proceed(SeamInvocationContext.java:68)
org
.jboss
.seam
.core
.MethodContextInterceptor.aroundInvoke(MethodContextInterceptor.java:42)
org
.jboss
.seam
.intercept.SeamInvocationContext.proceed(SeamInvocationContext.java:68)
org
.jboss
.seam
.security.SecurityInterceptor.aroundInvoke(SecurityInterceptor.java:118)
org
.jboss
.seam
.intercept.SeamInvocationContext.proceed(SeamInvocationContext.java:68)
org.jboss.seam.intercept.RootInterceptor.invoke(RootInterceptor.java:
107)
org
.jboss
.seam
.intercept
.JavaBeanInterceptor.interceptInvocation(JavaBeanInterceptor.java:166)
org
.jboss
.seam.intercept.JavaBeanInterceptor.invoke(JavaBeanInterceptor.java:102)
org.jboss.seam.wiki.core.action.DocumentHome_$
$_javassist_18.getInstance(DocumentHome_$$_javassist_18.java)
Also problematic seems to be the ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor (I
think we really could use a "no JavaBean clustering" switch that
disables it - need some input from Gavin who initially wrote it if
that is feasible):
java.util.Hashtable.get(Hashtable.java:335)
org.jnp.server.NamingServer.getBinding(NamingServer.java:506)
org.jnp.server.NamingServer.getBinding(NamingServer.java:537)
org.jnp.server.NamingServer.getObject(NamingServer.java:543)
org.jnp.server.NamingServer.lookup(NamingServer.java:296)
org.jnp.interfaces.NamingContext.lookup(NamingContext.java:667)
org.jnp.interfaces.NamingContext.lookup(NamingContext.java:627)
org
.jboss
.ejb3
.naming.SimpleMultiplexer.createMultiplexer(SimpleMultiplexer.java:53)
org
.jboss
.ejb3
.naming.SimpleMultiplexer.getObjectInstance(SimpleMultiplexer.java:88)
javax.naming.spi.NamingManager.getObjectInstance(NamingManager.java:304)
javax.naming.spi.NamingManager.getContext(NamingManager.java:422)
javax
.naming
.spi.ContinuationContext.getTargetContext(ContinuationContext.java:38)
javax
.naming.spi.NamingManager.getContinuationContext(NamingManager.java:770)
org.jnp.interfaces.NamingContext.lookup(NamingContext.java:773)
org.jnp.interfaces.NamingContext.lookup(NamingContext.java:627)
javax.naming.InitialContext.lookup(InitialContext.java:351)
org
.jboss
.seam.transaction.Transaction.getUserTransaction(Transaction.java:79)
org
.jboss
.seam.transaction.Transaction.createUTTransaction(Transaction.java:71)
org.jboss.seam.transaction.Transaction.getTransaction(Transaction.java:
44)
sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor6220.invoke(Unknown Source)
sun
.reflect
.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:
25)
java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:585)
org.jboss.seam.util.Reflections.invoke(Reflections.java:21)
org.jboss.seam.util.Reflections.invokeAndWrap(Reflections.java:125)
org.jboss.seam.Component.callComponentMethod(Component.java:2195)
org.jboss.seam.Component.unwrap(Component.java:2221)
org.jboss.seam.Component.getInstance(Component.java:1988)
org.jboss.seam.Component.getInstance(Component.java:1951)
org.jboss.seam.Component.getInstance(Component.java:1928)
org.jboss.seam.Component.getInstance(Component.java:1923)
org.jboss.seam.transaction.Transaction.instance(Transaction.java:36)
org
.jboss
.seam
.persistence
.ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor
.isTransactionRolledBackOrMarkedRolback
(ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor.java:62)
org
.jboss
.seam
.persistence
.ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor
.aroundInvoke(ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor.java:50)
org
.jboss
.seam
.intercept.SeamInvocationContext.proceed(SeamInvocationContext.java:68)
org
.jboss
.seam
.transaction.RollbackInterceptor.aroundInvoke(RollbackInterceptor.java:
31)
org
.jboss
.seam
.intercept.SeamInvocationContext.proceed(SeamInvocationContext.java:68)
org
.jboss
.seam
.core
.MethodContextInterceptor.aroundInvoke(MethodContextInterceptor.java:42)
org
.jboss
.seam
.intercept.SeamInvocationContext.proceed(SeamInvocationContext.java:68)
org.jboss.seam.intercept.RootInterceptor.invoke(RootInterceptor.java:
107)
org
.jboss
.seam
.intercept
.JavaBeanInterceptor.interceptInvocation(JavaBeanInterceptor.java:166)
org
.jboss
.seam.intercept.JavaBeanInterceptor.invoke(JavaBeanInterceptor.java:102)
org.jboss.seam.wiki.preferences.Preferences_$
$_javassist_21.get(Preferences_$$_javassist_21.java)
Right now our websites are basically not accessible, system load is >
20.00 with more than 30 blocked threads.
4:44 a.m.
On Jun 05, 2008, at 10:41 , Christian Bauer wrote:
During load spikes in production I find plenty of BLOCKED threads
with this stack:
Slightly different picture now, all BLOCKED threads have this stack:
sun.reflect.annotation.AnnotationType.getInstance(AnnotationType.java:
63)
sun
.reflect
.annotation.AnnotationParser.parseAnnotation(AnnotationParser.java:202)
sun
.reflect
.annotation.AnnotationParser.parseAnnotations2(AnnotationParser.java:69)
sun
.reflect
.annotation.AnnotationParser.parseAnnotations(AnnotationParser.java:52)
java.lang.reflect.Field.declaredAnnotations(Field.java:1002)
java.lang.reflect.Field.getAnnotation(Field.java:989)
java
.lang
.reflect.AccessibleObject.isAnnotationPresent(AccessibleObject.java:175)
org
.jboss
.seam
.persistence
.ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor
.ignore(ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor.java:155)
org
.jboss
.seam
.persistence
.ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor
.entityIdsToRefs(ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor.java:120)
org
.jboss
.seam
.persistence
.ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor
.aroundInvoke(ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor.java:46)
org
.jboss
.seam
.intercept.SeamInvocationContext.proceed(SeamInvocationContext.java:68)
org
.jboss
.seam
.transaction.RollbackInterceptor.aroundInvoke(RollbackInterceptor.java:
31)
org
.jboss
.seam
.intercept.SeamInvocationContext.proceed(SeamInvocationContext.java:68)
org
.jboss
.seam
.core
.MethodContextInterceptor.aroundInvoke(MethodContextInterceptor.java:42)
org
.jboss
.seam
.intercept.SeamInvocationContext.proceed(SeamInvocationContext.java:68)
org.jboss.seam.intercept.RootInterceptor.invoke(RootInterceptor.java:
107)
org
.jboss
.seam
.intercept
.JavaBeanInterceptor.interceptInvocation(JavaBeanInterceptor.java:166)
org
.jboss
.seam.intercept.JavaBeanInterceptor.invoke(JavaBeanInterceptor.java:102)
org.jboss.seam.wiki.core.dao.WikiManagedPersistenceContext_$
$_javassist_9.getEntityManager(WikiManagedPersistenceContext_$
$_javassist_9.java)
Still, everything points to ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor as the
culprit.
5:03 a.m.
The option to turn the ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor off has been
closed with "we need it for passivation":
http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBSEAM-468
I'm not sure we need it for a system with a) only javabean components
and b) in-memory/non-persistent http sessions and c) no clustering/
replication of http sessions. Which well, would be really a common
scenario. :)
We definitely can't have each thread run into a synchronized (readers
block other readers) HashTable.get() thousands of times during a
regular request.
5:13 a.m.
Hi all,
I'm sorry I didn't look at the sources, but if the problem is a
synchronized HashTable.get
did you consider this two very clean options:
A)
java.util.concurrent.ConcurrentHashMap
scales much better than a standard synchronized Hashmap
B)
using a standard HashTable but protect it
with java.util.concurrent.locks.ReadWriteLock instead of synchronized,
if you mostly use "get" instead of "put" you can use a
"readlock" for each get,
readlocks permit many to be taken at same tame, so that no blocking occurs,
but acquiring a write lock blocks all other write and read ops (and has to wait
for all previous to be released).
I hope to be helpful, but must say I don't know the internals of Seam well.
Sanne
2008/6/5 Christian Bauer <christian.bauer(a)gmail.com>:
The option to turn the ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor off has been
closed
with "we need it for passivation":
http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBSEAM-468
I'm not sure we need it for a system with a) only javabean components and b)
in-memory/non-persistent http sessions and c) no clustering/replication of
http sessions. Which well, would be really a common scenario. :)
We definitely can't have each thread run into a synchronized (readers block
other readers) HashTable.get() thousands of times during a regular request.
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5:17 a.m.
On Jun 05, 2008, at 11:13 , Sanne Grinovero wrote:
I'm sorry I didn't look at the sources, but if the problem is
a
synchronized HashTable.get
did you consider this two very clean options:
1. Well yes of course the issue is the synchronized HashTable :)
2. It's deep inside JBoss AS code, in the JNDI server implementation.
Ideally we would not call it a thousand times per request.
3. One of the issues that we CAN fix, and what we need to discuss, is
ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor - which is responsible for the
HashTable calls.
4. There might be other hotspots of thread contention in a typical
Seam request.
6:16 a.m.
I was able to double my throughput and halve the average response time
in my load test by fixing the following JNDI UserTransaction lookups
(which are all blocking on the hashtable):
- Removing the ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor from the default
interceptor stack.
- Removing the TransactionInterceptor which is used with
@Transactional by the EntityHome/Home/Query components (I don't use
it) - and I also question why it is used on EntityConverter/
EntityLoader. Especially for the converter/loaders this is never
necessary, they are always called inside a JSF request that is wrapped
by Seam in transactions and saying "Transaction required" again and
again is just costing a JNDI lookup.
- Removing the joinTransaction() that is triggered on every
EntityHome.getInstance(). EntityQuery and EntityIdentity do the same.
This also doesn't seem to be necessary, at least not for Seams
ManagedPersistenceContext which enlists the EM with the transaction on
@Unwrap (and it has a condition that avoids double-joins - hence only
one UT JNDI lookup per request).
All of this needs more testing, this is just some quick hack.
Basically, try to find the guys who call Transaction.instance() more
than once (or twice) during a request.
7:17 a.m.
All of this needs more testing, this is just some quick hack.
Basically, try to find the guys who call Transaction.instance() more
than once (or twice) during a request.
These are the changes I made in Component.java:
if ( getType()==JAVA_BEAN &&
beanClassHasAnnotation(Transactional.class))
{
- addInterceptor( new Interceptor( new
TransactionInterceptor(), this ) );
+ // TODO: PERFORMANCE ISSUE! addInterceptor( new
Interceptor( new TransactionInterceptor(), this ) );
}
if ( getScope()==CONVERSATION )
{
- addInterceptor( new Interceptor( new
ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor(), this ) );
+ // TODO: PERFORMANCE ISSUE! addInterceptor( new
Interceptor( new ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor(), this ) );
}
And in my EntityHome extensions:
public class UserHome extends EntityHome<User> {
protected void joinTransaction() {
// NOOP
}
}
Attached are two samples, one with Seam compiled from trunk, one with
my hacks.
The other blocking operation I noticed (and mentioned in an earlier e-
mail) is java.lang.reflect.AccessibleObject.isAnnotationPresent(),
which I think is synchronizing on a HashMap. We have a few situations
where this method is called in loops during a request (again with
ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor the main culprit)- which is
absolutely unnecessary. So someone with the JDK 5.0 source code needs
to look at this.
Marek and Jay, now it's your turn, please get going.
10:43 a.m.
These are the changes I made in Component.java:
if ( getType()==JAVA_BEAN &&
beanClassHasAnnotation(Transactional.class))
{
- addInterceptor( new Interceptor( new TransactionInterceptor(),
this ) );
+ // TODO: PERFORMANCE ISSUE! addInterceptor( new Interceptor( new
TransactionInterceptor(), this ) );
I think we should only do this *if* transaction management
(Seam-managed global trasaction) is being used. If not, then we have
no transaction at all on the call.
Init.instance().isTransactionManagementEnabled()
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9:49 a.m.
- Removing the joinTransaction() that is triggered on every
EntityHome.getInstance(). EntityQuery and EntityIdentity do the
same. This also doesn't seem to be necessary, at least not for Seams
ManagedPersistenceContext which enlists the EM with the transaction
on @Unwrap (and it has a condition that avoids double-joins - hence
only one UT JNDI lookup per request).
Checked with Emmanuel: At least for Hibernate it is OK to call
entityManager.joinTransaction() repeatedly, it caches. However, the
way Seam is doing it there always is a Transaction.instance() first
which does a JNDI lookup. This gives us some more ways how we can
rewrite that part of the code.
3:52 p.m.
2008/6/5 Christian Bauer <christian.bauer(a)gmail.com>:
Also problematic seems to be the ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor (I
think
we really could use a "no JavaBean clustering" switch that disables it -
need some input from Gavin who initially wrote it if that is feasible):
100% agreed, I want to implement this as the ability to configure
(enable/disable) default interceptors. Can we detect whether we need
to enable the ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor somehow (e.g. if aren't
in a cluster we don't need it definitely).
2008/6/5 Christian Bauer <christian.bauer(a)gmail.com>:
The option to turn the ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor off has been
closed
with "we need it for passivation":
http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBSEAM-468
I'm not sure we need it for a system with a) only javabean components and b)
in-memory/non-persistent http sessions and c) no clustering/replication of
http sessions. Which well, would be really a common scenario. :)
Yes, I think you are correct. Gavin, any input?
2008/6/5 Christian Bauer <cbauer(a)redhat.com>:
- Removing the TransactionInterceptor which is used with
@Transactional by
the EntityHome/Home/Query components (I don't use it) - and I also question
why it is used on EntityConverter/EntityLoader. Especially for the
converter/loaders this is never necessary, they are always called inside a
JSF request that is wrapped by Seam in transactions and saying "Transaction
required" again and again is just costing a JNDI lookup.
Agreed. Please open a JIRA issue.
- Removing the joinTransaction() that is triggered on every
EntityHome.getInstance(). EntityQuery and EntityIdentity do the same. This
also doesn't seem to be necessary, at least not for Seams
ManagedPersistenceContext which enlists the EM with the transaction on
@Unwrap (and it has a condition that avoids double-joins - hence only one UT
JNDI lookup per request).
Originally I needed it in the EntityConverter back in 1.1 timeframe,
but this may well have changed (and I altered the architecture a lot
since then) so lets have a JIRA and check.
2008/6/5 Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com>:
> These are the changes I made in Component.java:
>
> if ( getType()==JAVA_BEAN &&
> beanClassHasAnnotation(Transactional.class))
> {
> - addInterceptor( new Interceptor( new TransactionInterceptor(),
> this ) );
> + // TODO: PERFORMANCE ISSUE! addInterceptor( new Interceptor( new
> TransactionInterceptor(), this ) );
I think we should only do this *if* transaction management
(Seam-managed global trasaction) is being used. If not, then we have
no transaction at all on the call.
Init.instance().isTransactionManagementEnabled()
Sure, but this is pretty low priority as most people use SMT. JIRA please.
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http://www.seamframework.org
4:04 p.m.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Pete Muir <pmuir(a)bleepbleep.org.uk> wrote:
2008/6/5 Christian Bauer <christian.bauer(a)gmail.com>:
> Also problematic seems to be the ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor (I think
> we really could use a "no JavaBean clustering" switch that disables it -
> need some input from Gavin who initially wrote it if that is feasible):
100% agreed, I want to implement this as the ability to configure
(enable/disable) default interceptors.
As someone who's had a lot of headaches with
ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor...let me just say "Yay!"
Can we detect whether we need
to enable the ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor somehow (e.g. if aren't
in a cluster we don't need it definitely).
AFAIK there is no standard way to do this. I have a way to detect it
for Jboss/Tomcat (by checking for the presence of the ClusterManager
MBean, but that probably won't help unless we want to create a
pluggable component which has tweaks/advice for the each app server,
in which case each could also have an implementation of things like
"isSessionClustered(HttpSession)." That's a potential maintenance
nightmare, but if someone from each large app server maintained their
tweaks component, it could work.
-Clint
12:15 a.m.
> 2008/6/5 Christian Bauer <christian.bauer(a)gmail.com>:
>> Also problematic seems to be the ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor (I think
>> we really could use a "no JavaBean clustering" switch that disables it
-
>> need some input from Gavin who initially wrote it if that is feasible):
>
> 100% agreed, I want to implement this as the ability to configure
> (enable/disable) default interceptors.
As someone who's had a lot of headaches with
ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor...let me just say "Yay!"
Yeah. Trust that while writing Seam in Action, I have bruised knees
from tripping over this interceptor so many times. It's to the point
where if something in Seam doesn't do what I except, the first thing I
do is put a breakpoint in this interceptor. Not that what it does
isn't useful. It's just that sometimes it causes some pretty bizarre
side-effects.
AFAIK there is no standard way to do this. I have a way to detect
it
for Jboss/Tomcat (by checking for the presence of the ClusterManager
MBean, but that probably won't help unless we want to create a
pluggable component which has tweaks/advice for the each app server,
in which case each could also have an implementation of things like
"isSessionClustered(HttpSession)." That's a potential maintenance
nightmare, but if someone from each large app server maintained their
tweaks component, it could work.
I don't like autodetection here. Moving to a clustered environment is
such a distinct and monumental move (and not one you use in
development very often) that having the user flip one switch in Seam
is completely acceptable over the hacks we would have to use and
maintain to try to anticipate this type of deployment. Perfect for
components.properties.
-Dan
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7:50 a.m.
On 5 Jun 2008, at 21:04, Clint Popetz wrote:
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Pete Muir
<pmuir(a)bleepbleep.org.uk>
wrote:
> 2008/6/5 Christian Bauer <christian.bauer(a)gmail.com>:
>> Also problematic seems to be the ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor
>> (I think
>> we really could use a "no JavaBean clustering" switch that
>> disables it -
>> need some input from Gavin who initially wrote it if that is
>> feasible):
>
> 100% agreed, I want to implement this as the ability to configure
> (enable/disable) default interceptors.
As someone who's had a lot of headaches with
ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor...let me just say "Yay!"
We should bump this up the priority list I think. Norman, any chance
you could look at this?
> Can we detect whether we need
> to enable the ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor somehow (e.g. if
> aren't
> in a cluster we don't need it definitely).
AFAIK there is no standard way to do this. I have a way to detect it
for Jboss/Tomcat (by checking for the presence of the ClusterManager
MBean, but that probably won't help unless we want to create a
pluggable component which has tweaks/advice for the each app server,
in which case each could also have an implementation of things like
"isSessionClustered(HttpSession)." That's a potential maintenance
nightmare, but if someone from each large app server maintained their
tweaks component, it could work.
I was thinking if there was a portable way to do it, it could be a
start (with the user able to override), but if not, I think we run in
non-clustered mode by default, and have a single switch on <core:init /
to enable clustering.
11:32 a.m.
On Jun 6, 2008, at 6:50 AM, Pete Muir wrote:
> As someone who's had a lot of headaches with
> ManagedEntityIdentityInterceptor...let me just say "Yay!"
We should bump this up the priority list I think. Norman, any chance
you could look at this?
I've always thought it would be better to have a @ManagedEntity
annotation to declare where you want the interceptor to promote
internal state into the conversation for management rather than
blindly pulling all entities out. (Not that I don't agree that we
should also be able to disable interceptors)
12:08 a.m.
> I think we should only disable the (Transaction interceptor) *if*
transaction >> management (Seam-managed global trasaction) is being used. If not,
then >> we have no transaction at all on the call.
>
> Init.instance().isTransactionManagementEnabled()
Sure, but this is pretty low priority as most people use SMT. JIRA please.
I plan to followup on the transaction JIRA issue that is going to be
filed. However, keep in mind that while transaction management might
handle JSF requests, there are ways to invoke Seam components
*outside* of a JSF request (Seam remoting for instance). In those
cases, we need the TransactionIntercepter. Let's just be careful not
to over do it.
--
Dan Allen
Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action
http://mojavelinux.com
http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction
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