Re: [seam-dev] BI integration

Snjezana, Can you explain what you did for the BIRT integration? On 13 Oct 2008, at 21:46, Dan Allen wrote: > I think in this case we need to think higher up than just component > tags. I think we really need a Seam component which is able to load a > report, pass parameters to it, and render it (or trigger the > rendering). It really would be closer to the jBPM integration. Of > course, we can then add component tags where it is needed, but the > idea here is to have a report repository and application framework > (ala Query and Home) rather than something the developer has to hack > together in a Facelets template. > > -Dan > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Nicklas Karlsson <nickarls(a)gmail.com > <mailto:nickarls@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Something like > <bi:output engine="birt" format="pdf" report="foo.xml"/> with nested > <bi:engineConfig/> and <bi:reportParam/> with key, valude attrs? > > On 10/13/08, Dan Allen <dan.j.allen(a)gmail.com > <mailto:dan.j.allen@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >From feedback I have received from my former product manager, > iReports is > > the best user interface for developing reports (though still a > bit cludgy). > > But that is just his opinion. I can contact another developer > friend of mine > > who has spent loads of time working with all three tools and > see if he has > > an opinion. > > > > -Dan > > > > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Pete Muir <pmuir(a)redhat.com > <mailto:pmuir@redhat.com>> wrote: > > > >> I think we need to consider how good the designers are for > these projects, > >> and how well the designers integrate into Eclipse. > >> > >> On 13 Oct 2008, at 21:16, Dan Allen wrote: > >> > >> Whatever we choose, we should start with just one (as we did > with jBPM), > >> but keep the design open to support multiple providers. I say > that because > >> we are going to learn a lot on the first go around and we > don't want to > >> spend too much time down in the weeds early on. I am inclined > to say > >> either > >> JasperReports or Pentaho. The benefit of JasperReports is that > there are > >> already a lot of integrations available (one of which is the > Spring > >> integration which many of us have used at one point or > another) so we can > >> learn from them as we formulate our own ideas. But don't let > that be the > >> final word. > >> > >> -Dan > >> > >> On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Sanne Grinovero < > >> sanne.grinovero(a)gmail.com <mailto:sanne.grinovero@gmail.com>> > wrote: > >> > >>> please, don't forget Pentaho. > >>> they were looking very good already, and are improving a lot > and at a > >>> very fast pace. > >>> additionally they have strong bounds with JBoss, as it's the > default > >>> platform. > >>> > >>> Sanne > >>> > >>> 2008/10/13 Pete Muir <pmuir(a)redhat.com > <mailto:pmuir@redhat.com>>: > >>> > So, I guess the question is, do we want to do Jasper or BIRT? > >>> > On 13 Oct 2008, at 20:48, Dan Allen wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Pete, > >>> > > >>> > I think the main focus here is on the responsibility of who > creates the > >>> > reports. The excel stuff is superb for developers who need > to create > >>> reports > >>> > for management, etc. The BI is about management designing > the reports > >>> and > >>> > the developers feeding the parameters to it from the UI > (and all the > >>> > security and context that goes along with it). > >>> > > >>> > The main focus for this relationship, and the one we should > keep in > >>> > mind > >>> > when designing it, is that you want to try to break the > need to wait on > >>> the > >>> > developer to get a report through the system. Not only does > this slow > >>> things > >>> > down, it ties up developer resources. At my previous job, > we had a huge > >>> > problem with this because there was a neverending need to > customize > >>> reports > >>> > for customers and thus the process was not scalable. BI is > about > >>> > putting > >>> the > >>> > consumers (or designers) of the reports in control. > >>> > > >>> > -Dan > >>> > > >>> > On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Pete Muir > <pmuir(a)redhat.com <mailto:pmuir@redhat.com>> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Snjezana has written some BIRT/Seam integration. But it > needs a way to > >>> be > >>> >> used outside of Eclipse (she has no ant or maven targets, > you must > >>> build > >>> >> your project with Eclipse). > >>> >> > >>> >> But anyway, what does this offer over Seam PDF/Excel w/ > VPE support? > >>> >> > >>> >> On 13 Oct 2008, at 19:47, Dan Allen wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >>> I've brought up this point informally a couple of times, > but I want > >>> >>> to > >>> >>> make a more formal statement. I think we need to put some > sort of BI > >>> >>> integration on the roadmap, mostly likely being with > JasperReports. > >>> >>> Perhaps we can start brainstorming on how this > integration might look > >>> >>> and then create some JIRAs for those features. For > example, here's an > >>> >>> article on how Spring integrates with JasperReports. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> http://java.dzone.com/articles/spring-web-mvc-spring-web-flow > >>> >>> > >>> >>> My intention is not to try to outdo Spring, but rather to > say that we > >>> >>> need to offer something native within Seam. I just spoke > to former > >>> >>> colleagues last week and they are using JasperServer with > JSF, but > >>> >>> mentioned that they had to do some glue code to get it > all working > >>> >>> together. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> -Dan > >>> >>> > >>> >>> -- > >>> >>> Dan Allen > >>> >>> Software consultant | Author of Seam in Action > >>> >>> > >>> >>> http://mojavelinux.com > >>> >>> http://mojavelinux.com/seaminaction > >>> >>> > >>> >>> NOTE: While I make a strong effort to keep up with my > email on a > >>> >>> daily > >>> >>> basis, personal or other work matters can sometimes keep > me away > >>> >>> from my email. If you contact me, but don't hear back for > more than a > >>> >>> week, > >>> >>> it is very likely that I am excessively backlogged or the > message was > >>> >>> caught in the spam filters. 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