As Steve said, we are discussing ways to make the new hibernate.org
better. Gavin asked me
to post my wish list here as it would likely apply to the seam website migration assuming
that happens. Not everyone agrees with this list but that's food for thoughts.
Here is my dream list in decreasing priority wrt a community website. This feedback is
directly influenced by the hibernate.org
migration and by what's missing / not
necessarily trivial to do on the Magnolia / Jive SBS combo. Some are doable, some are not,
in any case you don't get them for free.
o a way to understand navigation
I can navigate from one hibernate project to an other using the vertical menu but there is
no visual indication on where I am on the menu itself (I know via the big logo banner but
it's in a completely different page area and feel like another level of hierarchy).
The vertical bar does give you that *sometimes*: when in "documentation" or
"build", the element is highlighted in a brighter gray. At least for it's
level one ( we lose sub levels unfortunately). Also its does not seem to work for
overview, downloads etc
Also as Lincoln was mentioning, I have no "bring me home dad" button or logo so
I am forced to edit my URL and type it back.
So at the end of the day, I don't know where I am nor how to go back where I was. I
o A unique L&F between the wiki and the project pages.
Today I feel like I leave the hibernate space and join the jboss.org
space (logo gone,
project navigation gone, same type of vertical nav bar but with different features). I
even have a subnav in French while the rest is in English.
o a unique navigation
Today we have two orthogonal navigation schemes, the subsection banner (horizontal nav)
and the subprojects as vertical. But logically
today, the projects are the level 1 nav and the subsections level 2 and contextual to the
o a working search engine(s)
Ideally a single search engine would be much better than two in a given page and four
different behaviors overall.
When on magnolia, the search engine is plain Google:
- lose visual consistency
- lose navigation
- get results from outside hibernate.org
(or even jboss.org
The wiki search is different:
- we stay on the website
- search results seem a bit uneven:
. when searching for Hibernate Search on the wiki, you don't get the space in the
results (I know you get it on a different box on the right but it's a different area
and it seems you can get spaces in the result - see below).
. the top result is a 2007 year old post with no answer
. when searching on the top search box (ie the jboss community one), results are
Today I have a lot of either:
- "the website is in maintenance" image when clicking on hibernate search or
validator wiki subspace (around 50% of the time)
- "service temporarily unavailable" randomly
I'd also love a magnolia author site that's faster in Europe. The edit and preview
loop is around 30 seconds minimum (no live view). Same for the page pushing process.
- I randomly get quite slow page rendering (plain magnolia site)
Webpages have fugly URLs:
- on magnolia, you get .html despite the fact that these are dynamic pages.
- you lose the website name in the wiki as everything is redirected to
- I am not certain the SEO strategy is quite ready on the Magnolia / Jive SBS combo. For
sure the multiple URL roots don't help.
On 22 mars 2010, at 17:54, Steve Ebersole wrote:
I just want to point out that I am not happy with Hibernate.org
. However I
am not sure yet whether I am less happy with it now than I was with the old
site. Gavin you are seriously the only person I have come across that
actually liked that old site. The search sucked. Admin sucked. It was a
total pain to author content. The security "model" was atrocious. Contact
me off list if you need the rest of this list.
Was it great that we controlled it? Well that's a two-sided question. Of
course it was awesome that we got free reign over developing and designing
it. But the downside is/was maintaining it both in terms of administering
the machine and keeping the site software patched etc. Its this second
aspect where the old site was largely an epic fail. Its the single reason
we continued to use completely outdated software that eventually led to the
security incidents that started all the outages with hibernate.org
. The php
wiki was absolute poopoo no matter what your rose-colored glasses want to
have you remember.
I am not going to speak about y'alls current site. I was not involved in
it, nor do I ever go there. So its not appropriate for me to speak about
Someone pointed out some supposed issues with the new hibernate site. Well
the quick links are working and have always been working afaik. The tools
page is how max wanted it; all the "missing nav links" are actually part of
the page itself. Yes there is not a good way to link back to the magnolia
pages from the sbs pages, because the jboss.org
infrastructure does not
recgnize an association between the 2.
I personally welcome any *constructive* criticism of the hibernate.org
setup. In fact we are discussing changes as I write this.
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