What seems to be disturbing everyone is what the definition of a community release is. Ultimately that's up to the community, so kudos to us for having this discussion. Also, I don't take John's comment below as inflammatory, rather many of you heard me say the same prior to open sourcing that notion of a Teiid only initial release was immaterial from the perspective of most end users (but not connector developers). In a perfect world with respect to initial community releases, they would have been done at the edge of a productization cycle. Our timing was instead to go open source (or at least make public announcements) in the middle of a development cycle. The 6.0.0 release of Teiid from an product perspective would be a milestone, but was done for the community for two reasons. First it was considered desirable to have a release close to the project announcement date. The other reason, which is more important, was to establish the independent nature of Teiid development. We may not all agree with those points, but there it stands. To sum up the best parts of this discussion: Does the Teiid 6.0.0 release matter to most users - Not really. Will there be synchronization between future Teiid and Teiid Designer releases - Not really. Will we be in the habit of patch releases - Not really. Do we need modularize our software more - Yes. A better separation of Teiid Designer's usage of Teiid's code, separating out projects for "large" connectors, soap services, etc. All need to be explored. We've made the jump from 1 code base to 3, we can do more if needed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Verhaeg" <jverhaeg(a)redhat.com&gt; To: "John Doyle" <jdoyle(a)redhat.com&gt; Cc: teiid-designer-dev(a)lists.jboss.org, teiid-dev(a)lists.jboss.org, "Van Halbert" <vhalbert(a)redhat.com&gt;, "Steven Hawkins" <shawkins(a)redhat.com&gt; Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:36:19 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [teiid-designer-dev] Re: [teiid-dev] 6.1 Release On Apr 23, 2009, at 10:29 AM, John Doyle wrote: Agreed. That's why I'm pretty much considering Teiid as a whole as unreleased, regardless of what version the Teiid Server team is working on. The difficult part is figuring out a way to convey this effectively to the community. Backing off a little on what I said before, it certainly would have been ideal in my mind if the very first version of Teiid wasn't released until Designer was ready, but that ship has sailed.