3:16 a.m.
Hi JBoss AS guys,
Here is another area tooling could need some help from the runtime...
We are looking at finding a way to introspect AS and have some basic
*remote* control over the deployed modules.
Could you guys give some insight to Rob and the rest of us ?
Is JSR-77 supported ? Will it be in EAP 5 ?
JSR-288 had similar issues earlier - are they fixed ? will they be fixed ?
What are the alternatives, if any ?
/max
JSR-77 allows, via JMX, to get a list of which servers are running,
which modules they have, which resources they have, etc. From this
model I can make an effective list of what's deployed on the server
through simple JMX calls.
What I still cannot do, though, is control the modules. The portions
of the spec which deal with managing (starting, stopping) the modules
is optional, and JBoss does not support this. So, while I can get a
nice list of what's deployed / running, I cannot manage any of it.
Is it worth-while for me to add to the Servers View a tree element
(and children) dealing with deployed / running modules considering I
cannot control them? Is this worth pushing up to the platform to force
them to implement when JSR-77 is being removed in the future?
Thoughts appreciated.
- Rob
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New subject: [jbosstools-dev] JSR-77 Summary
Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
Hi JBoss AS guys,
Here is another area tooling could need some help from the runtime...
We are looking at finding a way to introspect AS and have some basic
*remote* control over the deployed modules.
Could you guys give some insight to Rob and the rest of us ?
Is JSR-77 supported ? Will it be in EAP 5 ?
JSR-288 had similar issues earlier - are they fixed ? will they be fixed ?
JSR-77 is required for EE, but it is very out of date, and will likely
get killed in a future release. JSR-88 is already scheduled for removal
in EE7.
What are the alternatives, if any ?
If you guys need advanced management functionality, it sounds like the
Profile Service is going to be what you need.
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5:29 a.m.
New subject: [jbosstools-dev] JSR-77 Summary
> Is JSR-77 supported ? Will it be in EAP 5 ?
> JSR-288 had similar issues earlier - are they fixed ? will they be
> fixed ?
JSR-77 is required for EE, but it is very out of date, and will likely
get killed in a future release. JSR-88 is already scheduled for
removal in EE7.
So we should not even consider using it for remote access ?
> What are the alternatives, if any ?
If you guys need advanced management functionality, it sounds like the
Profile Service is going to be what you need.
Sure, but profile service is not
available to us remotely.
Btw. I don't consider any of the things we want to do very advanced - we
don't want to be another JON.
Something basic and simple as i.e. Tomcat Management API would be enough
for us afaics.
http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/manager-howto.html
It provides a simple http api to list, start/stop/undeploy
applications/resources (both local and remote resources)
btw. this is not just for *us* this is for the greater good of AS :)
/max
1:48 p.m.
New subject: [jbosstools-dev] JSR-77 Summary
Anyone out there listening ?
Should we just drop this idea of having good remote control over AS from
tooling ?
/max
Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>> Is JSR-77 supported ? Will it be in EAP 5 ?
>> JSR-288 had similar issues earlier - are they fixed ? will they be
>> fixed ?
>
> JSR-77 is required for EE, but it is very out of date, and will
> likely get killed in a future release. JSR-88 is already scheduled
> for removal in EE7.
So we should not even consider using it for remote access ?
>> What are the alternatives, if any ?
>
> If you guys need advanced management functionality, it sounds like
> the Profile Service is going to be what you need.
Sure, but profile service is not available to us remotely.
Btw. I don't consider any of the things we want to do very advanced -
we don't want to be another JON.
Something basic and simple as i.e. Tomcat Management API would be
enough for us afaics.
http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/manager-howto.html
It provides a simple http api to list, start/stop/undeploy
applications/resources (both local and remote resources)
btw. this is not just for *us* this is for the greater good of AS :)
/max
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2:09 p.m.
New subject: [jbosstools-dev] JSR-77 Summary
Neither JSR-77 or JSR-88 are going to be part of EE in the future.
The profileservice certainly is available remotely, but I thought we
were focusing on the hotdeployment jmx based api as discussed in:
https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBAS-6330
If we want this mapped into a resty type api ala the tomcat then that
needs to be defined.
Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
Anyone out there listening ?
Should we just drop this idea of having good remote control over AS
from tooling ?
/max
Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>>> Is JSR-77 supported ? Will it be in EAP 5 ?
>>> JSR-288 had similar issues earlier - are they fixed ? will they be
>>> fixed ?
>>
>> JSR-77 is required for EE, but it is very out of date, and will
>> likely get killed in a future release. JSR-88 is already scheduled
>> for removal in EE7.
> So we should not even consider using it for remote access ?
>>> What are the alternatives, if any ?
>>
>> If you guys need advanced management functionality, it sounds like
>> the Profile Service is going to be what you need.
> Sure, but profile service is not available to us remotely.
>
> Btw. I don't consider any of the things we want to do very advanced -
> we don't want to be another JON.
>
> Something basic and simple as i.e. Tomcat Management API would be
> enough for us afaics.
>
> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/manager-howto.html
>
> It provides a simple http api to list, start/stop/undeploy
> applications/resources (both local and remote resources)
>
> btw. this is not just for *us* this is for the greater good of AS :)
>
> /max
2:39 p.m.
New subject: [jbosstools-dev] JSR-77 Summary
Before, when we discussed the JMX option, and the potential for a REST
API, I was working under the assumption that tools only needed a basic
set of operations. Once this thread started talking about JSR-77
management functions, this to me says the profile service is the way
forward.
As to the tomcat API, I don't see how it provides anything close to JSR-77.
Scott Stark wrote:
Neither JSR-77 or JSR-88 are going to be part of EE in the future.
The profileservice certainly is available remotely, but I thought we
were focusing on the hotdeployment jmx based api as discussed in:
https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBAS-6330
If we want this mapped into a resty type api ala the tomcat then that
needs to be defined.
Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
> Anyone out there listening ?
>
> Should we just drop this idea of having good remote control over AS
> from tooling ?
>
> /max
>
> Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>>>> Is JSR-77 supported ? Will it be in EAP 5 ?
>>>> JSR-288 had similar issues earlier - are they fixed ? will they be
>>>> fixed ?
>>>
>>> JSR-77 is required for EE, but it is very out of date, and will
>>> likely get killed in a future release. JSR-88 is already scheduled
>>> for removal in EE7.
>> So we should not even consider using it for remote access ?
>>>> What are the alternatives, if any ?
>>>
>>> If you guys need advanced management functionality, it sounds like
>>> the Profile Service is going to be what you need.
>> Sure, but profile service is not available to us remotely.
>>
>> Btw. I don't consider any of the things we want to do very advanced -
>> we don't want to be another JON.
>>
>> Something basic and simple as i.e. Tomcat Management API would be
>> enough for us afaics.
>>
>> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/manager-howto.html
>>
>> It provides a simple http api to list, start/stop/undeploy
>> applications/resources (both local and remote resources)
>>
>> btw. this is not just for *us* this is for the greater good of AS :)
>>
>> /max
>
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6:14 a.m.
New subject: [jbosstools-dev] JSR-77 Summary
Before, when we discussed the JMX option, and the potential for a
REST
API, I was working under the assumption that tools only needed a basic
set of operations.
Yes, basic:
List deployed apps/modules/resources
Stop/start apps/modules/resources
Deploy/hotdeploy apps/modules/resources
Once this thread started talking about JSR-77 management functions,
this to me says the profile service is the way forward.
Because we don't know
of any other API we can use to get information.
As to the tomcat API, I don't see how it provides anything close
to
JSR-77.
The tomcat API provides the 3 things from above afaics.
/max
> Neither JSR-77 or JSR-88 are going to be part of EE in the future.
>
> The profileservice certainly is available remotely, but I thought we
> were focusing on the hotdeployment jmx based api as discussed in:
> https://jira.jboss.org/jira/browse/JBAS-6330
I have asked *many* times now and
*noone* have been able to show me
Profileservice being available remotely without a very *tight* dependency
on the exact version of AS plus noone have been able to tell us the
dependencies we need (except a very fuzzy maven dependency set which
were *big*
and unique per version).
If the tools have to be updated every time there is a minor release then
this is a very fragile system to depend on.
> If we want this mapped into a resty type api ala the tomcat then
that
> needs to be defined.
If there is some other API we can use great, but a resty
type API sounds
to me like the best and only option that would not be fragile.
/max
>
> Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>> Anyone out there listening ?
>>
>> Should we just drop this idea of having good remote control over AS
>> from tooling ?
>>
>> /max
>>
>> Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:
>>>>> Is JSR-77 supported ? Will it be in EAP 5 ?
>>>>> JSR-288 had similar issues earlier - are they fixed ? will they
>>>>> be fixed ?
>>>>
>>>> JSR-77 is required for EE, but it is very out of date, and will
>>>> likely get killed in a future release. JSR-88 is already scheduled
>>>> for removal in EE7.
>>> So we should not even consider using it for remote access ?
>>>>> What are the alternatives, if any ?
>>>>
>>>> If you guys need advanced management functionality, it sounds like
>>>> the Profile Service is going to be what you need.
>>> Sure, but profile service is not available to us remotely.
>>>
>>> Btw. I don't consider any of the things we want to do very advanced
>>> - we don't want to be another JON.
>>>
>>> Something basic and simple as i.e. Tomcat Management API would be
>>> enough for us afaics.
>>>
>>> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/manager-howto.html
>>>
>>> It provides a simple http api to list, start/stop/undeploy
>>> applications/resources (both local and remote resources)
>>>
>>> btw. this is not just for *us* this is for the greater good of AS :)
>>>
>>> /max
>
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